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Posted 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
adiaz14
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HOWEDY Scott,

Might that EXXXPERT be Ray Coppinger?:

'Ray Coppinger who wrote 'Dogs' said 'I'd also suspect that if I locked up the pup in the house alone each day while I went to work, I'd get a small brained pup with out enough connections to be a good social companion'

Seems MOST dogs spend their days in their HOWES alone. Some are locked in boxes to PREVENT behavior problems. Others are TRAINED to RELAXXX and PROTECT their HOWES.

'Some genetic mutation was required. Coppinger and Coppinger stated in their book Dogs 'A basic change, a genetic change has occurred.' If not, then today's wild wolf puppies tamed from birth would be capable of domestication.'

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ 'THAT'S BUNK.' The REASON Coppinger SEZ you 'can't train a wild wolf' is because the training methods he's FAMILIAR with are UNFITTING for ANY critter, particularly the wolf. Coppinger doesn't know BEHAVIOR, he knows GENETICS, otheWIZE he wouldn't BLAME THE BREED:

'Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior,' Ivan Pavlov.

'...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes
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Posted 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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HOWEDY robin aka Golden Girl Goddess Of Competitive Agility And Backyard Breeding,

That was Coppinger. They're geneticists, not TRAINERS.

Ray Coppinger:

'What this all means is that through time there has been an infusion of unrelated genes, a sharing of mothers, so to speak, between species and between breeds. The wild animals we think of as distinct from one another, the purebred dogs we appreciate for their special form and behavior are_not really unrelated. To a geneticist, the lines between the dog (Canis familiaris), the wolf (Cani lupus), or the coyote (Canis latrans) are indistinct because they are not true species, that is not reproductively isolated.

It is the similarities that are striking. That domestic dogs and wild wolves share maternal ancestors, and that they are more closely related than even wolves and coyotes is the unexpected discovery in these data. Many people don't like these results. The people involved with the red wolf recovery program are dismayed because the animals tested show a large percentage of coyote genes. The same is true of some populations of grey wolf.

If animals known as 'red wolf' or 'grey wolf' are actually, genetically, hybrids, then they may lose their status as endangered species. Many dog fanciers like to think their breed traces directly back to ancient originals. They see their breed on the Bayeux tapestry, created to celebrate William the Conqueror's successful invasion of England in 1066. But the data do not support these fantasies.

Types or breeds of dogs are created, reshuffled, and recreated.

Superficial characters like size or color or shape are not indicative of a pure genetic ancestry. For those of us interested in working breeds the message is clear. Pedigrees do not tell us if we have a working dog. Working parents are the best indicators of puppy success. Even litters from working stock are going to show ancestral variation and not all are going to perform the guarding task equally well.'

IOW, A DOG IS A DOG.

Like your own 'HIGHLY DRIVEN WORKING DOGS'?

Just look to your own dogs for that answer, robin.

If you LIKE.

If you LIKE.

If you LIKE.

If you LIKE.

If you LIKE.

If you LIKE.

If you LIKE.

If you LIKE.

Oh? With EXXXCEPTON of SIZE and HAIR, 'A DOG IS A DOG'. You can train ANY dog to ALL of the above. So, let's consider VERSATILITY as the basis for judging a PERFECT PET DOG. Versatility is LEARNED, not BRED.

Like your own fear aggressive hyperactive dogs.

THAT'S on accHOWENT of your dogs are FEAR AGGRESSIVE and HYPERACTIVE and DEATHLY ILL from STRESS.

BWEEEEEAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

ONLY IF HE'S MISHANDLED.

Have you ever KNOWN a Lhasa?

If he LIKES.

Oh. THAT'S on accHOWENT of DYSPLASIA is a DIET and STRESS predisposed DIS-EASE. It's CAUSED BY STRESS and POOR DIET.

And some just DISREGARD 'ETHICKS' and breed what they can get their hands on like you and susan fraser and kwbrown and ~emily and dra. linda hungerford have done.

SEZ YOU? You're a dog abusing fraud:

Subject: Golden Girl Goddess Of Ethickal Breeding And Competitive Agility

Hello Jeff,

Dog training isn't a matter of OPINION, it's SCIENCE.

Not fine if you don't know the SCIENCE.

Not to worry, you don't have to apologize for having a difference of OPINION about hurting intimidating and murdering innocent defenseless dumb critters.

Water seeks it's own level, don't it.

Naaah? A SENSITIVE NAZI??? BUNK!

Your opinion is welcome here on these open unmoderated news groups.

That's convienient. IN FACT, it's MANDATORY or the SCIENTIFIC METHOD will FAIL. Let's all do the Monkey Macarena together so we know what's up.

Different from what? Children? Kats?

That's because you're not familiar with the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

Yeah, like PRESUMING ANY behavior is BAD.

Dogs and children DO NOT DO BAD behaviors they RESPOND in PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL NINATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances of their environment which we create for them.

You can't train ANY behavior by IGNORING IT.

Not unless you was following the SCIENTIFIC METHOD, Jeff.

Like this:

Hello Robin, Golden Girl Goddess Of Ethickal Breeding and Competitive Agility,

Yes, Diana is a true dog lover, just like Robin only not as kindly to us Ugly Americans!

And political correctness, to boot.

Naaah?

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

Hello Robin,

Is that the same Jeff Dege who can't train his own dog not to attack innocent defenseless dumb critters despite his shock collar and perfect come command?:

From: Jeff Dege < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:58:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Squirrell chasing / Prey drive !!!!

Won't make any difference.

I've been using an e-collar with my JRT, and it's worked wonders for his recall. But the one time he bolted after something small and furry, he paid no attention to the collar until after he'd brought it to bay.

Jeff Dege.

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

From: Gwen Watson < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:07:06 -0600 Subject: Re: E-Collars - with Vibrator?

I can't say quite a few. But I can say 2.

At any rate the above is the answer I have been trying to obtain.

Still why is that these dogs have awful manners?

Inconsistency?

Lack of common sense on
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Posted 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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HOWEDY Scott,

That was probably Ray Coppinger. He's a BIOLOGIST with a hobyist interest in training. He's LEARNED to train dogs like the rest of the EXXXPERTS.

Main Entry: per·son·al·i·ty Pronunciation: 'p&r-s&n-'a-l&-tE, 'p&r-'sna- Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural -ties Etymology: Middle English personalite, from Late Latin personalitat-, personalitas, from personalis

1 a : the quality or state of being a person b : personal existence

2 a : the condition or fact of relating to a particular person; specifically : the condition of referring directly to or being aimed disparagingly or hostilely at an individual

b : an offensively personal remark <angrily resorted to personalities

3 : the complex of characteristics that distinguishes an individual or a nation or group; especially : the totality of an individual's behavioral and emotional characteristics

4 a : distinction or excellence of personal and social traits;

The dog's PERSONALITY is TRAINED, not BRED.

The PERFECT pet dog is a dog who'll DO ANY THING you ask.

Of curse. But it's PHONY.

VERSATILITY is the name of the game.

Naah. They SPECIALIZE like brain surgeons.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!

'ETHICKAL BREEDERS' won't even compete in multiple classes. They SPECIALIZE in EITHER field, obedience, tracking, herding, SHITsHOWEND or agility. They're AFRAID to teach their dogs TOO MUCH on accHOWENT of they'll TRAIN them to MAKE MISTAKES.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard recently JERRYIZED the 'canine genome project' with CASE HISTORY DATA proving their RESEARCH is SHEER IDIOCY.

Don't be so fast to BLAME THE BREED.

Oh, probably as soon as ETHICKAL BREEDER START BREEDING FOR MONEY instead of 'TO IMPROVE THE BREED' by BREEDING UP from their CRAP STOCK.

No. THEY are to blame for BREED BIASES and BREED SPECIFIC LEGISLATION.

You're asking LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS FRAUDS and ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES for information and advice THEY AIN'T GOT or they wouldn't be BLAMIN THE BREED:

r.p.d.b. SYNDROME:
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

'UNSKILLED AND UNAWARE OF IT: HOW DIFFICULTIES IN RECOGNIZING ONE'S OWN INCOMPETENCE LEAD TO INFLATED SELF-ASSESSMENTS

Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile... grossly overestimated their best performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.'

- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

- Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

- Insufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from incompetence.

An interview with Ray and Lorna Coppinger:

That sounds like uncle matty margolis, dog abuser liar coward and thief trained by captain arthur haggerty, dog abuser coward and liar.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard thinks more in terms of WORKIN dogs.

INDEEDY. Let's compare THAT to the N.I.L.I.F. program and pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and crates recommended by the miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases we got here.

THEN we'll talk abHOWET PERSONALITIES of BREEDS.

On accHOWENT of IT'S BULLSHIT.

BWEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!

Naaah?

NO. So called click and treat RELIES on BRIBERY and WITHHOLDING attention affection and REWARDS based on the ALPHA being IN CON-TROLL of the RESOURCES.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!:

From: 'Scottee Meade' < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it > Date: 1998/12/27 Subject: Re: 2 Male dogs One house Major fighting. Please help.

Sid, First of all, I would have both dogs neutered.

Second, I recommend making sure that you are the alpha in your pack. For more information on this issue, consult Terry Ryan's excellent book, 'Toolbox for Remodeling Your Problem Dog.'

So if your problem isn't life threatening, declare a leader (preferably the more dominant dog, but you may have to do what I did and pick the weaker one).

The pack leader eats first, sleeps in the best spot, initiates and terminates play, petting, and grooming, guards the territory, etc. See Terry Ryan's pamphlet 'ALPHAbetize Yourself' for details. But above all, two-legged pack members are the highest ranking.

Good luck!
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